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		<title>Using Capacitors to Power an Electric Bike</title>
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		<pubdate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 05:21:17 +0000</pubdate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For anyone who would like to run their electric bike off of capacitors let me save you some time.
Simple Answer:
With current technology capacitors are not a viable option for powering an electric bike.
Medium Answer:
Currently, the energy density for ultra capacitors is at best about 1/10 that of lead acid batteries so it would take about [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone who would like to run their electric bike off of capacitors let me save you some time.</p>
<p><strong>Simple Answer:</strong><br />
With current technology capacitors are not a viable option for powering an electric bike.</p>
<p><strong>Medium Answer:</strong><br />
Currently, the energy density for ultra capacitors is at best about 1/10 that of lead acid batteries so it would take about 10 times the weight in ultra capacitors as it would for lead acid batteries.  Unless you have room for 300lb of capacitors this isn&#8217;t really an option.</p>
<p>A little wiki action:</p>
<blockquote><p>(3–5 W·h/kg for a standard ultracapacitor, although 85 W.h/kg has been achieved in the lab as of 2010 compared to 30-40 W·h/kg for a <a title="Lead acid battery" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_acid_battery">lead acid battery</a>)</p></blockquote>
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<th>Parameters</th>
<th>Electrostatic Capacitor</th>
<th>Ultracapacitor</th>
<th class="last">Battery</th>
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<td class="color">Discharge Time</td>
<td>10<sup>-6</sup>~10<sup>-3</sup>sec</td>
<td>1~30 sec</td>
<td class="last">0.3~3 hrs</td>
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<td class="color">Charge Time</td>
<td>10<sup>-6</sup>~10<sup>-3</sup>sec</td>
<td>1~30 sec</td>
<td class="last">1~5 hrs</td>
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<td class="color">Energy Density (Wh/kg)</td>
<td>&lt; 0.1</td>
<td>1~10</td>
<td class="last">20~100</td>
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<td class="color">Power Density (W/kg)</td>
<td>&lt; 10,000</td>
<td>10,000</td>
<td class="last">50~200</td>
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<td>~ 1.0</td>
<td>~10</td>
<td class="last">0.7~0.85</td>
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<td>Infinite</td>
<td>&gt; 500,000</td>
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<p>http://www.nesscap.com/product/overview.jsp</p>
<p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density</p>
<p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultracapacitor</p>
<p><strong>Long Answer:</strong><br />
Even short trips require 4 or 5 amp hours of power at the rated voltage to be effective.</p>
<p>Others have asked the same question on multiple web forums, and the best answer I could find was this.</p>
<blockquote><p>1 Farad is 1 Ampere second per Volt. 1 F = 1 As/V.<br />
1 Ah = 3600 As<br />
3600 As / 12V = 300 As/V = 300F<br />
But you need more then that because the voltage will drop as the capacitor discharges. Half the charge means half the voltage.<br />
With a lead acid battery that&#8217;s different. A battery that is half empty still has nearly the same voltage as it had at the start.<br />
Maybe 600F and some electronics to automatically step up the voltage so it stays at 12V.<br />
So you&#8217;d need to buy 160 capacitors with 3V and 60F each.</p>
<p>http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=256751</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/800px-Maxwell_MC_and_BC_ultracapacitor_cells_and_modules.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-968" title="800px-Maxwell_MC_and_BC_ultracapacitor_cells_and_modules" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/800px-Maxwell_MC_and_BC_ultracapacitor_cells_and_modules-300x209.jpg" alt="800px Maxwell MC and BC ultracapacitor cells and modules 300x209 Using Capacitors to Power an Electric Bike" width="300" height="209" /></a></p>
<p>Even after reading the above statement I decided to do more research and see if there is any new technology that could be useful. Ultra capacitors are starting to come down in price and are readily available, but they still are not cheap.<br />
It is possible buy capacitors that are rated for 3000F and 2.7 volts, and their data sheets state that they have 3.30 Wh (~1.2Ah = 3.3Wh / 2.7V) of usable stored energy. The problem is that the calculation does not factor in the voltage drop that takes place as the capacitor discharges.</p>
<p>Ideally, with a bike you would want to run somewhere between 60 and 36 volts for a hub motor.</p>
<p>There are two options:<br />
1. A voltage multiplier circuit.<br />
2. A string of ultra capacitors in series.</p>
<p>The first idea is probably the better one, but it is fairly technical and goes beyond the scope of a blog post.<br />
The basic math behind a series string of capacitors would be this. (Capacitance drops as capacitors are added in series.) 1/((1/3000)+(1/3000)+(1/3000)+(1/3000)+(1/3000)+(1/3000)+(1/3000)+(1/3000)+(1/3000)+(1/3000)+(1/3000)+(1/3000)+(1/3000)+(1/3000)+(1/3000)+(1/3000)+(1/3000)+(1/3000)) = 166. 7F</p>
<p>Theoretical storage would be<br />
166. 7F*48V = 8000As<br />
8000As/ 3600 As = 2.2 Ah</p>
<p>However, the usable potential is likely 1.2Ah which is stated on the data sheet, and the hub motor will operate most effectively between 48 and 36 volts. That is a 12V change and happens to provide access to about 25% of the usable 1.2 Ah in a simple series circuit.</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. This is getting too boring.</p>
<p>If you still want to know more about sizing ultra capacitors for electric vehicles this article provides the required calculations. http://people.clarkson.edu/~pillayp/c1.pdf</p>
<p><strong>Conclusion:</strong><br />
Start considering ultra capacitors for application in electric bikes  when ratings of 12000F + capacitors become available.  There were a lot of claims in 2007 and 2008 that we would see the end of batteries, but it looks like someone is getting close.</p>
<p><a href="http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/44477">http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/44477</a></p>
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		<pubdate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:42:39 +0000</pubdate>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lately we have been rather bad about leaving the lights on when we leave for work.  My apartment has a lot of switches that are in strange places, and it is rather easy to forget the lights on in the bathrooms and back closets. My solution for the problem was to grab some fancy switches [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lately we have been rather bad about leaving the lights on when we leave for work.  My apartment has a lot of switches that are in strange places, and it is rather easy to forget the lights on in the bathrooms and back closets. My solution for the problem was to grab some fancy switches that have motion sensors and automatically turn off after a certain period of time.</p>
<p>For about $16 I grabbed a motion sensor switch that automatically turns off on a variable timer.  I would have been able to install the switch in about 3 minutes if I didn&#8217;t have to track down all of the mislabel circuit breakers in my apartment. I&#8217;m a little concerned that whoever wired my apartment simply used &#8220;lites&#8221; four different places in the breaker list.  It doesn&#8217;t exactly bestow great confidence in how the rest of the apartment is wired.</p>
<p>Once I had the cover off the original switch box I found some more 1970&#8242;s awesomeness. They had simply left the ground wire dangling in the box and jumper in the switch into place with some outlets.  It isn&#8217;t anything to be scared of, but the apartment could use a little updating.  Regardless the ground is now being properly utilized, and the switch isn&#8217;t just jumpered into place.</p>
<p>We will see how well it works, and if I like it before I do any more.  There really is no point for me to update something I&#8217;ll have to undo someday.  Also, we face the problem that most of our switches face the opposite direction of the rooms that they are actually controlling. Whoever wired my apartment had the revolutionary idea of being able to control lights before you actually enter the room.  Motion sensor switches require heat variations in the room to operate, and if they don&#8217;t have a direct line of sight they won&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>Update:</p>
<p>I moved the switch from my computer room to the bathroom after buying the proper faceplate.</p>
<p>Originally the layout of the switch was something like this.</p>
<div id="attachment_314" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 89px"><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/light-switch-outlet.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-314  " title="light-switch-outlet" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/light-switch-outlet-131x300.jpg" alt="light switch outlet 131x300 Installing a Better Light Switch" width="79" height="180" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Light Switch Outlet</p></div>
<p>Diagram from http://www.indepthinfo.com/</p>
<div id="attachment_321" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 156px"><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/old_wall_switch2.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-321  " title="old wall switch 2" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/old_wall_switch2-243x300.jpg" alt="old wall switch2 243x300 Installing a Better Light Switch" width="146" height="180" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Old Wall Switch </p></div>
<div id="attachment_322" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 152px"><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/old_wall_switch.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-322 " title="Old Wall Switch Face Plate Removed" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/old_wall_switch-236x300.jpg" alt="old wall switch 236x300 Installing a Better Light Switch" width="142" height="180" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Old Wall Switch Faceplate Removed</p></div>
<p><img src="file:///F:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Ben%20Huffman/Desktop/Light%20Switch/old_wall_switch2.JPG" alt=" Installing a Better Light Switch"  title="Installing a Better Light Switch" /></p>
<div id="attachment_323" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 190px"><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/P2280007.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-323 " title="Old Wiring Light Switch" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/P2280007-300x225.jpg" alt="P2280007 300x225 Installing a Better Light Switch" width="180" height="135" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Old Wiring</p></div>
<div id="attachment_324" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 190px"><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/P2280005.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-324 " title="New Wiring Light Switch" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/P2280005-300x225.jpg" alt="P2280005 300x225 Installing a Better Light Switch" width="180" height="135" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">New Wiring Motion-Sensor Switch</p></div>
<div id="attachment_325" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 183px"><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Settings_Motion_Switch.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-325 " title="setting up the timer and light sensitivity" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Settings_Motion_Switch-288x300.jpg" alt="Settings Motion Switch 288x300 Installing a Better Light Switch" width="173" height="180" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Setting up the timer and light sensitivity</p></div>
<div id="attachment_320" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 135px"><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/finished_light_switch.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-320  " title="Finished Motion Sensor Light Switch" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/finished_light_switch-231x300.jpg" alt="finished light switch 231x300 Installing a Better Light Switch" width="125" height="162" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Finished Motion Sensor Light Switch</p></div>
<p>Round Two</p>
<div id="attachment_326" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/old_double_wall_switch.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-326" title="Old Double Wall Switch" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/old_double_wall_switch-300x255.jpg" alt="old double wall switch 300x255 Installing a Better Light Switch" width="300" height="255" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Old Double Wall Switch</p></div>
<div id="attachment_327" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 188px"><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Stuck_wall_switch.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-327" title="Stuck Faceplate" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Stuck_wall_switch-178x300.jpg" alt="Stuck wall switch 178x300 Installing a Better Light Switch" width="178" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Stuck Faceplate</p></div>
<div id="attachment_333" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 235px"><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Cut_paint.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-333" title="Cut Paint off switches" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Cut_paint-225x300.jpg" alt="Cut paint 225x300 Installing a Better Light Switch" width="225" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">If painted over make sure to gently cut around the edges of the switches or you could cause damage the paint prying the switches off the wall.</p></div>
<div id="attachment_329" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 235px"><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/old_switch_pulled.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-329" title="Old Switch Removed" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/old_switch_pulled-225x300.jpg" alt="old switch pulled 225x300 Installing a Better Light Switch" width="225" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Old Switch Removed: Discovered that there is no accessable ground wire...</p></div>
<div id="attachment_334" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/new_double_switch_installed.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-334" title="New Motion Sensor Switch Installed" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/new_double_switch_installed-300x254.jpg" alt="new double switch installed 300x254 Installing a Better Light Switch" width="300" height="254" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">New Motion Sensor Switch Installed</p></div>
<p><strong>Troubleshooting</strong><strong>: </strong></p>
<p>After getting it wired up I turned the circuit breaker back on and found that my CFL bulbs flickered and did not want to stay on.  The bulbs did not flicker in the computer room what is different?  So after a short search I noticed that I had a single incandescent bulb in the fixture in the computer room.  I moved the incandescent bulb into the bathroom sure enough all the lights now function properly.  Like most electronics you get what you pay for.  Apparently the particular motion sensor switch I bought does not do well with certain CFL bulbs (6105M-PT). After reading some forums I found it is best to avoid Cooper Wiring Devices model 6109 and 6105.</p>
<p>The 6119 model should work better with CFL bulbs.</p>
<p><strong>My work around: </strong>Currently I&#8217;m just using a single 40W incandescent bulb with two CFL bulbs and it works just fine.  It is possible that it is not working because it is not grounded properly, but I really don&#8217;t think that is the problem. I might take it back apart and dig around to see if there is a ground wire stuffed in the back somewhere. Even if I find one I do not think it will allow me to run CFL bulbs.</p>
<p>Even though I have to run a 40W bulb it will still save power because the light will not be left on for 8 hours at a time.</p>
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