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		<title>Before the Flood: A Carbon Tax Story</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2016 03:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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				<div class="et_pb_text_inner"><p><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class="alignright wp-image-1475" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Before-the-Flood-Poster.jpg" alt="before-the-flood-poster The Real Cabon-Tax Story" height="506" width="337" srcset="https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Before-the-Flood-Poster.jpg 646w, https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Before-the-Flood-Poster-200x300.jpg 200w" sizes="(max-width: 337px) 100vw, 337px" />In recent years I have been quiet on energy related issues. We have come a long way in the last 10 years. Like many people I recently watched “Before the Flood.” most of the film was good, but I would like to post a word of warning about the carbon tax mentioned in the film. The idea of a carbon tax could work if it is not perverted by politics, but that scenario is unlikely.</p>
<p>I spent more than five years researching carbon capture and storage (CCS). There is a strong possibility that “carbon credits” will accompany a carbon tax. The result will likely be the rapid death of the coal industry, and an increase in the price of power. The death of the coal industry may leave many of you overjoyed, but carbon credits will act as a subsidy for some oil companies. CO2 Enhanced Oil Recovery (EOR) works well for getting oil out of the ground. Oil companies will get paid for offset credits while injecting CO2 into the ground to get more oil back. They want to inject CO2 anyway. Carbon Credits will make it profitable for them to source and sequester CO2.</p>
<p>Sounds good right?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember the exact numbers, but I believe the net result is carbon neutral at best. The oil coming out of the ground will offset any good that the carbon storage will do. Carbon credits are little more than a way to subsidize oil companies in a way that appears to be friendly to the environment.</p>
<p>Most of our research was in part paid by oil companies. They will benefit if carbon credits become common. The price of carbon credits will likely be dependent on a trade based system like the stock market.&nbsp; Such a system will cause significant fluctuation in other energy prices and energy intensive goods.</p>
<p>Companies like Denbury Resources even planned to use carbon credits as part of their business model. *Full disclosure I still have a small amount of Denbury stock, but I don&#8217;t expect to ever get my money back out of the company.*</p>
<p>A carbon tax sounds good on paper, but it is not a great solution to our carbon problem. The idea has flaws, and will be a new tool to abuse in the United States.</p></div>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Yayyy! They arrested Josh Fox…  Wait what? As I saw this article come floating across my Facebook page I thought I was going to be happy that the ass hole finally got what he deserved, but the only problem is that I am on his side this time.   He was trying to film a public [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yayyy! They arrested Josh Fox…  Wait what?</p>
<p>As I saw this article come floating across my Facebook page I thought I was going to be happy that the ass hole finally got what he deserved, but the only problem is that I am on his side this time.   He was trying to film a public congressional hearing regarding the EPA’s report on Pavillion, Wy. He didn’t have all the paperwork he needed, but they still shouldn’t have arrested him. Apparently, it is not uncommon for film crews to be lacking the necessary paperwork, but still be allowed to film (Fox claims he attempted to get the paperwork earlier in the day and was denied, but I would bet they had a reason).  Regardless, He was not causing any real trouble, and given the situation, I probably would have done the same thing.</p>
<p>This act by the GOP will only give his second documentary more power.  Realistically, I would have liked to see what the EPA had to say regarding their report.  I read the report the day it was released on the internet and the only thing they really found was hydrocarbons in a formation that produces hydrocarbons, and drilling chemicals that they used to drill their own monitoring wells. Also, they use the word ground water and do not clarify that it is not drinking water as you are lead to believe by all the newspaper authors that did not know the difference.  I do not think the EPA’s report would have ever made it through a real peer review process because the dots they try to connect are too far apart (or don’t exist at all).  If you thought the report provided the link between hydraulic fracturing and ground water contamination, please read the follow up articles that were posted a few weeks later. Industry, the state of WY, and newspapers all had rebuttals. Papers by the USGS in the 1990s show similar “contamination” problems which seems to indicate that the EPA didn’t do a very good literature review (before the area was fracked).  It really does not matter at this point the damage has already been done, but it was clear that the release of a draft document was more driven by agenda than science. (Try to find other documents released the same way.  I bet you will not find many)</p>
<p>I apologize for not sourcing any of my statements. I’m too lazy tonight, but I wanted to say something about this before I forgot about it.  If you have any questions about anything I said please just ask and I will hunt up the necessary links. (You could always just Google it)</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>UPDATE:</p>
<p>http://flackops.blogspot.com/2012/02/gaslight-flim-flam-by-josh-fox.html</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Save some time. http://geothunder.com/2011/06/05/josh-fox-bs/ http://geothunder.com/2011/01/09/hydraulic-fracturing-and-americas-future/ http://geothunder.com/2010/12/11/gasland-josh-fox-and-a-world-of-misinformation/</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Save some time.</p>
<p><a href="http://geothunder.com/2011/06/05/josh-fox-bs/">http://geothunder.com/2011/06/05/josh-fox-bs/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://geothunder.com/2011/01/09/hydraulic-fracturing-and-americas-future/">http://geothunder.com/2011/01/09/hydraulic-fracturing-and-americas-future/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://geothunder.com/2010/12/11/gasland-josh-fox-and-a-world-of-misinformation/">http://geothunder.com/2010/12/11/gasland-josh-fox-and-a-world-of-misinformation/</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 02:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Not Evil Just Wrong posted a video of Josh Fox being asked questions regarding previous knowledge of flaming sinks prior to fracking and Josh liked it so much that a copyright claim was used to get the video taken off of youtube. He will likely do the same on Vimeo, but for now you can [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.noteviljustwrong.com/General/gasland-director-tries-to-ban-journalism.html">Not Evil Just Wrong</a> posted a video of Josh Fox being asked questions regarding previous knowledge of flaming sinks prior to fracking and Josh liked it so much that a copyright claim was used to get the video taken off of youtube. He will likely do the same on Vimeo, but for now you can watch it here. For the record this video should fall under <a href="http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html">fair use</a> which makes legal to use a clip from josh fox&#8217;s film. </p>
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<p>Should the video be removed from Vimeo you can try these mirror links. Most video players should be able to play the file.  Make sure to credit Not Evil Just Wrong if you happen to re-post anything.<br />
<a title="Mirror 1" href="http://www.2shared.com/video/XbPy73I-/Vimeo-24628804_Gasland_directo.html" target="_blank">Mirror 1</a><br />
<a title="Mirror 2" href="http://uploading.com/files/946e7d67/%255BVimeo-24628804%255D%2BGasland%2Bdirector%2Bhides%2Bfull%2Bfacts.mp4/" target="_blank">Mirror 2</a><br />
<a title="Mirror 3" href="http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NBR4ZVBM" target="_blank">Mirror 3</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 04:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>As you can probably tell from my other posts on this site I advocate utilizing as many sources of energy as possible, but I also try to be realistic and consider environmental and economic factors. So what does it mean to be green? Part 1 &#8211; Potential Cumulative Energy Production Part 2 and 3? &#8211; [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you can probably tell from my other posts on this site I advocate utilizing as many sources of energy as possible, but I also try to be realistic and consider environmental and economic factors.</p>
<p><strong>So what does it mean to be green?</strong><br />
<strong>Part 1</strong><br />
&#8211; Potential Cumulative Energy Production</p>
<p><strong>Part 2 and 3?</strong><br />
&#8211; Land Usage<br />
&#8211; Some Thoughts on EROEI (energy returned on energy invested)</p>
<p><strong>Solar: </strong></p>
<p><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/solar-panels.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-890" title="solar-panels" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/solar-panels-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" srcset="https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/solar-panels-300x225.jpg 300w, https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/solar-panels-290x217.jpg 290w, https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/solar-panels-150x112.jpg 150w, https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/solar-panels.jpg 1024w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></a></p>
<p>In the best case around 260 kWh/ sq ft per year reaches the surface of the earth. (New Mexico)</p>
<p>A large portion of the United States is closer to 211 kWh/ sq ft per year.</p>
<p>The most efficient solar cell that can be purchased in today&#8217;s market is about 29% but an average solar cell would convert about 13% the total solar energy it receives to usable power.</p>
<p>Best case .29*260 = 75.4 kWh/ sq ft per year.</p>
<p>What I will call average .13*211 = 27.4 kWh/ sq ft per year. (average based on land not population distribution)</p>
<p>An average US home uses 8,900 kilowatt-hours of electricity each year. (Probably a little high)</p>
<p>Good: 8,900 kWh/y year / 75.4kWh/y = 118.1 sq ft<br />
Average:  8,900 kWh/y year / 27.4kWh/y = 324.8 sq ft<br />
Price per square foot for solar panels ranges between 100 and 300 sq ft installed so $150 seems possible.</p>
<p>Good: $150 * 118.1 sq ft = $17,715<br />
Average: $150 * 324.8 sq ft= $48,720</p>
<p><strong>Wind: </strong></p>
<p><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/wind_turbine.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-892" title="wind_turbine" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/wind_turbine-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" srcset="https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/wind_turbine-300x225.jpg 300w, https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/wind_turbine-290x217.jpg 290w, https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/wind_turbine-150x112.jpg 150w, https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/wind_turbine.jpg 400w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></a></p>
<p>Most commercial wind turbines range between 2 and 3 MW, and in 2007 it cost $1.2 million to $2.6 million, per MW of nameplate capacity installed.</p>
<p>We still need to factor in efficiency which on commercial systems can range between 20% and 45% (In ND).</p>
<p>Best Case 3000kWh*.45 = 1350kWh ~3.6 million</p>
<p>Average 3000kWh*.25 = 750kWh ~$4.5 million</p>
<p>Good: Annual power production 1350kWh*24*365 = 11826000 kWh/year<br />
Average: Annual power production 750kWh*24*365 = 6570000 kWh/year</p>
<p>30 year lifespan * 11826000 kWh/year = <strong> 354,780,000 kWh/ 30 years</strong><br />
30 year lifespan * 6570000 kWh/year = <strong> 197,100,000 kWh/ 30 years</strong></p>
<p><strong>Oil:</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/041005oil.pump_.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-894" title="041005oil.pump" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/041005oil.pump_-300x189.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="189" srcset="https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/041005oil.pump_-300x189.jpg 300w, https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/041005oil.pump_-290x182.jpg 290w, https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/041005oil.pump_-150x94.jpg 150w, https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/041005oil.pump_.jpg 436w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></a></p>
<p>There really is no such thing as average when it comes to the cumulative production of an oil well, but most modern oil well in the US will yield somewhere between 200,000 and 2.5 million barrels of oil over their life time. (30-50 years in many cases.) It is also important to note that the payback is front loaded meaning production is very high when a well is brought online and declines over the life of the well. What that really means is that the pay back period is relatively fast.</p>
<p>Barrel of oil equivalent (boe) = approx. 6.1 GJ (5.8 million Btu), equivalent to 1,700 kWh. &#8220;Petroleum barrel&#8221; is a liquid measure equal to 42 U.S. gallons (35 Imperial gallons or 159 liters); about 7.2 barrels oil are equivalent to one tonne of oil (metric) = 42-45 GJ.</p>
<p>Good well 1700kWh * 2,000,000 barrels = <strong>3,400,000,000 kWh</strong><br />
Bad well 1700kWh * 200,000 barrels = <strong>340,000,000 kWh</strong></p>
<p>The previous calculation got me accused of trying to skew the results, but realistically it is difficult to find efficiency values for how much energy is actually usable from a barrel of oil. The reason I originaly did not factor efficiency on oil is because the energy does exist and is stored in a barrel of oil even if it is not properly used. Efficiency was factored into solar and wind energy because energy is not tangible if it is not created and therefor it is necessary to factor it in.</p>
<p>With the last statement said we all know that energy from oil is used poorly in most cases so it is safe to assume efficiency factors that range between 20 and 60%.</p>
<p>.6 * 3,400,000,000 kWh = <strong>2,040,000,000 kWh</strong><br />
.6 * 340,000,000 kWh = <strong>20,400,000 kWh</strong></p>
<p>.2 * 3,400,000,000 kWh = <strong>680,000,000 kWh</strong><br />
.2 * 340,000,000 kWh = <strong>68,000,000 kWh</strong></p>
<p>Just to make sure solar cells don&#8217;t feel left out we will say that oil wells and wind towers have about a one acre footprint 43560 sq ft (more like .25 acre) .  Which will cost you&#8230; $100(bulk rate) * 43560*= $4,356,000.   So now our cost for each energy source is between 4 and 5 million US dollars.  This is how it shakes out.<br />
Average: 43560 sq ft* 27.4kWh/y *30 years = <strong>35,806,320 kWh/ 30 years</strong><br />
Good: 43560 sq ft* 75.4kWh/y *30 years = <strong>98,532,720 kWh/ 30 years</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Cumulative-Expected-Energy.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="size-full wp-image-911 " title="Cumulative Expected Energy" src="http://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Cumulative-Expected-Energy.jpg" alt="Cumulative Expected Energy: Oil Vs Wind Vs Solar" width="445" height="663" srcset="https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Cumulative-Expected-Energy.jpg 556w, https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Cumulative-Expected-Energy-201x300.jpg 201w, https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Cumulative-Expected-Energy-290x432.jpg 290w, https://geothunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Cumulative-Expected-Energy-100x150.jpg 100w" sizes="(max-width: 445px) 100vw, 445px" /></a></p>
<p>The most important detail that is not depicted in this chart is that the payback time for petroleum based power sources is rapid because petroleum production is typically high soon after a well is brought online. Over time petroleum production declines, but the company has already made all of the input cost back and moved on to drill more wells. Solar and wind return energy consistently but slowly which makes it difficult to rapidly grow. Growth in wind production has to be based on some forum of credit and long term planning which isn&#8217;t something that makes share holders happy (the same is somewhat true for tax subsidies too).  The input cost and energy requirements that go into producing oil is very high and the efficiency is low,  but none of that seems to matter as long as the payback period is short.</p>
<p><strong>Sources:</strong></p>
<p>Energy Conversions:  http://bioenergy.ornl.gov/papers/misc/energy_conv.html<strong><br />
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<p>Solar and Wind estimates: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=110997398</p>
<p>Solar Efficiency: http://sroeco.com/solar/most-efficient-solar-panels</p>
<p>Wind power pricing and rating: http://www.windustry.org/how-much-do-wind-turbines-cost</p>
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<td align="LEFT" width="135">Oil @ 10% efficency</td>
<td align="LEFT" width="86">Wind Tower</td>
<td align="LEFT" width="86">1 acre solar</td>
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<td align="RIGHT" height="17">3400000000</td>
<td align="RIGHT">340000000</td>
<td align="RIGHT">197000000</td>
<td align="RIGHT">35806320</td>
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